i was holding a hiking pants the other day, and the sizes where chinese... im not sure anyone with any muscles could ever fit them. but anyway, the only pants i could fit was the xl-men's size... i cried in the changing room, then put the damned thing away. my size is not xl-men (anymore) I'm a slightly overweight womans-size (44-46EU) but the mere fact i was considering buying the xl... NEVER AGAIN!!!!